I'm a Christian white man! I feel asaulted! Who can I sue???

It was an amazing speech. That being said, a speech does not make a presidential candidate. I'm a single, non-secular, white female and I plan on voting for Romney. It's about the economy and a 16 trillion dollar deficit. Everything else is incidental.

Amen

Jim you can ask obama to pay for free viagra, after all obamacare is giving out free birth control and free abortions, why not pay for that under his plan.

The only "unfinished work" he has to do is finish off America. Obama wants to change us alright, into a socialist state unrecognizable to most. I feel that the God fearing Americans will stand up and vote out him and his cronies. Romney was a missionary, a person always giving and helping people-where was Obama, out smoking crack and other unmentionables. Romney may not be perfect but he is honest.

lynn i agree with you

Well let me see here, Kris says that under Bush we had average of 800,000 monthly jobless claims. In July 2012 we got the report that (Jobless claims climbed by 8,000 to 365,000 in the week ended July 28, Labor Department figures showed today in Washington-Bloomberg report) there was 365,000 new claims. Let me do the math for you Kris, (365K * 4 weeks) as the handy dandy Canon calculator says that with that weekly numbers then it equates to about 1.46M new job losses. Doesn’t sound to me like Obama is making much progress now does it.

Bush set a record for losing 800K jobs in one month. 4 million over his presidency.

...and why did the stock market fall? I will tell you why and my wallet is my proof. When 9/11 happened then it all went to hell. But then again, everything is Bush's fault.

Who is going to fact check the fact checker? I don't trust Snopes.com or any of the others.

what jobs????? the true unemployment rate is closer to 20 percent when you count the people that aren't collecting unemployment anymore maybe higher. Stock market has nothing to do with obama. Snopes does not always tell the truth. That is the last place I would go and look for information, take that back I wouldn't even go look on Snopes.com. Kris why when Bush left office gas was 1.60 to 1.80 now what is gas prices 3.80 to 4.00, groceries have gone up because of the price of gas, utilities went up. Everything has gone up in price. Wait till your obamacare goes though the roof and you can't afford to pay for your own healthcare.

When Obama was sworn into office in January 2009, the average price of a gallon of gas in the U.S. was $1.61. However, that was a direct result of the massive recession at the time.Six months earlier, when Bush was president, the price of a gallon of gas peaked at $4.11. The highest price so far under Obama has been around $3.90 per gallon - about 20 cents less than it was under Bush - which is pretty much where it sits today.

Thank you Kris for shedding some sane rhetoric on financial matters. Wish people would check out Mickey Edwards (Republican) book "The Parties vs. The People". We as a nation have become insanely incensed over issues as if we're discussing a Super Bowl game. Totally and unnessarily ridiculous. And no one should dictate what any woman decides to do with her body. How arrogant.

I agree the Republicans have no idea what was done because Fox won't tell and so they don't know how to change channel to Cnn or some other channel that gives all the new

Kris: why are you bringing up Bush's record? He isn't running for president this year.

it's certainly no secret that Snopes.com is ALSO in the tank for the DNC

If he is trying to save medicare why did he steal 700 million from it Give me a break he got to go.

No break for those who fail to know facts, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan cut the EXACT same 700 billion dollar cut.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/15/stephanie-cutter/ryans-plan-includes-700-billion-medicare-cuts-says/

Also, do you want to meet a real socialist? Meet Francois Hollande of France. He is a socialist. He believes in a 70% tax on millionaires. He refuses to allow French car plants to shut down, even when the company is near bankruptcy. Obama demanded GM and Chrysler cut costs to get money. Money that Chrysler has paid back all that was due.

Actually, Obama IS a Socialist. Do you even understand what Socialism is? I lived in Chicago back in the 80's when Obama and his wife were preaching Marxist Socialism to anyone who'd listen. He loved to tell everyone that most people America were not capable of making important decisions for themselves and that they needed a strong gov't. to make those decisions for them. He made the local news every week. Rumor was that the people voted him into the State Legislature just to get him out of Chicago.

Do some research into the archives of the Chicago Tribune - a very liberal newspaper, I might add. You will be truly enlightened by what you read. Then do some research into the archives of the Springfield, IL newspapers to see what Obama did once he got there as a newly elected State Legislator.

Do you understand socialism? The government controls industry. Last time I checked, my parents don't work for the government. UPMC is not owned by the government. US Steel is not owned by the government. The private industry exists, therefore we are not socialist. We're not capitalist either, since we have government regulations. We are combination aka mixed economy. Obama leans left, no question but he has never stated that he wants to own any industry.

Share the wealth is a socialist way of thinking this country was built on a group of people who build companies then hire another group of people to work for them not a bad thing. Then we have another group who sits back and waits for the government to keep them with our tax money . Before you get upset some people do need government help and I am all for it. But their is a large percentage in the last group that all they want is a hand out not a hand up.

thank you Don that was very informative more people should see the real Obama. You seen it first hand.

Two themes, we need more time, and you can all thank the government. I was not impressed.

I laughed though her whole speech, what a joke.

Well...that was really disrespectful. I don't know what to say to that. Awesome?

Erin, many here laugh at cc posts.

ne12ukid and people laugh at your comments too. michelle speech was a joke as they need more time, when in fact her hubby said if he doesn't turn around the country in 4 years he wouldn't run., why is he running now, he already ran the United States in the ground. He got on Bush for spending 4 trillion in 8 years. What did obama spend in less than 3 years double that amount and has not created jobs, not is the economy any better. obama's are socialist that should not be running this great nation.

That is a pretty good combination Sandra Fluke free birth control pills, it you want to be sexually active be responsible and buy your own pills don't make all taxpayers pay for them. Elizabeth Warren lied about her heritage. And Bill Clinton we all know about him and women.

I don't think what I believe is relevant to the DNC. Obama believes in lowering corporate tax rates to 28% (compromise with Republican party) while closing tax loopholes (the same kind of loopholes referenced and attacked by Reagan) which will hopefully encourage new corporate growth while ensuring the old corporate life actually pays there taxes (remember this is not what I believe). Following this military spending must be decreased (I do believe this fully as does the Obama administration, ron paul, many grassroots organizations, et al). Our international presence is enormous and our military spending trumps all other major nation's military spending combined. We, as a country, only export money and military, and we do not allow other countrys to participate in a fair international market by maintaining different types of military control over their resources (the last part was more me than Obama). We then have to produce. Support america's agriculture (this was talked about at the DNC) business, and the Obama administration supports safety regulated oil and natural gas drilling (he is cautious and shouldn't we all be after the BP spill?) and beginning to manufacture and produce other forms of energy, which whether big oil likes it or not, will inevitably become a huge business (especially and first in Europe). Reforming healthcare is a big deal too but addresses a symptom rather than a root problem.

I don't claim the Obama administration is 100% correct. Really it just comes down to producing more and spending less. Actual taxes have very little to do with the national deficit (http://www.heritage.org/federalbudget/runaway-spending-tax-revenue) but bc it is something Obama proposes (reducing corporate tax rates) and the only thing that I have read/heard Romney propose (a difference in 3% between the two), I mention it. Seems to be a big deal to people.

So what is Romney's plan to reduce the country's debt? Is he a fiscal conservative? McCain at the RNC spoke out against military cuts in spending and actually supported an increase in spending. Well, an increase in spending obviously results in more debt. If Romney represents a party of fiscal conservatives how can propose lowering taxes and increasing military spending? We all know that even if Welfare was eliminated it would not cover the cost of defense spending. We are at 902 billion annually for defense and 451 billion for Welfare (this includes unemployment, food stamps, worker compensation, housing, family and children needs, etc).

I don't know...With the GOP's only suggestion being to lower corporate taxes (no effect on deficit) and increase defense spending, can we still call them "conservatives?" Are the democrats the conservatives now? Political parties have been known to flip before. It is interesting to think ponder. Nobody has answered me at all on the RNC thread.

I am very interested in this information and thank you for that. You have an ability to be concise to a point that I will never reach. I am long winded. It is one of my many flaws that I am working on improving daily.

Erin - your problem is that you're trying to have a rational conversation with people who are not capable of doing so. You ask them the very valid question: what is Romney proposing? They stay silent. You say you enjoyed Mrs. Obama's speech and they answer with rudeness. They can't tell you what Romney is proposing because they don't know (he has not told anyone), but they can be childish and disrespectful. You notice none of them have responded to my posts. There is no rational response to verifiable facts, so they don't bother. It's easier to just rant.

True story, but I will probably not stop trying to have that rational conversation. Especially when I see people getting bullied from participating. Of course, some of them are so rude that it is best to just ignore them, and I am learning who those people are. I really do participate to teach myself and get my attention going in ways that I would have otherwise ignored, but I certainly don't bother as much as I used to because I am just not getting much out of it.

Red, you are just confusing that kind with facts, they only know faux bits.

Erin just because people disagree does not mean they are Bullys free country (unless Obama gets back in) free speech

Erin it is very dangerous to decrease money to our military the far east is a time bomb waiting to explode and the people who are fighting are the ones who want to destroy our country have you forgotten 911. we can strengthen our military and still cut the budget stop wasting money on stupid projects I seen a list of approx. 20 green energy type companies the president gave money to that failed. Don't get upset I am not saying destroy our clean air and water. But a series of bad choice just to push the agenda of a green society builds debt. Some one in business like Romney know where to cut and where to build up Obama will stick to his agenda no matter what it does to the country.

RNC theme song (in the same vein) -

I could wile away the hours
Conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain
And my head I'd be scratchin'
While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain

or

When a man's an empty kettle
He should be on his mettle
And yet I'm torn apart
Just because I'm presumin'
That I could be a human
If I only had a heart

You decide

JS that sounds more like the Democrats national convention. They had intelligent people at the Republican's convention. Only smart person they had speak at the democrat national convention was clintonl

Exactly waht is it about gay marriage that frightens you so much? why the hate?
What's with your emphasis on the word WHITE, Denise Huggins? ("our WHITE house") Racial prejudice?
We know that is what drives some of the GOP, apparently you too?

If you read the Bible a Marriage is between a Man and Women. and I agree get rid of obama's they have brought out county down.

NE12... what is the basis of setting your moral compass? What is your belief system, the foundation of that belief system?

Odd question in a way, Roger. What's YOURS?
Basically I believe the world is a diverse place and we should embrace diversity, not fear it. I know enough to not make comments as if everyone embraces the Bible when many do not. Someone else's race or sexual preference doesn't really affect me and mine at all. If we were all alike, what a boring world!
People who are gay or people who have darker skin don't frighten me, but sometimes christian right wing uberconservatives can be very scary, because hate is scary!

Denise Obama us to believe marriage was between a man and a women until he needed to look for more votes so changed his platform. Just like God in the DNC platform was taken out before the convention started to see it was going to hurt them and put it back in yesterday . Only does what will he feels would get him more votes. Put him back in and we will see the real truth then it will be too late.

The problem is government trying to define marriage to begin with. The government should deal with civil unions only. Leave marriage up to your individual choice in a church.

I'm not surprised of your inability to succinctly articulate your basis. This just means you are "wandering," without a direction, meaning and purpose. The "finger in the wind" is embraced by many, and one of the reasons of so much conflict.

I didn't ask about the Bible.

Thanks for trying.

I've already commented on the gas issue, see above, your figures have no context.

As for the rest, Everyone likes to say Obama increased the national debt more in three years than Bush did in eight. Let's take that one step further, shall we?

Reagan: Increased from $930 billion to $2.7 billion in 8 years or 188.6 %

Bush 1: Increased from $2.7 billion to $4.1 billion in 4 years or 55.6%

Clinton: Increased from $4.1 billion to 5.7 billion in 8 years or 35.6%

Bush 2: Increased from $5.7 billion to $10.7 billion in 8 years or 89%

Obama: Increased from $10.7 billion to 15.2 billion in 3 years or 41.4%

It's also worth noting that the only other time the national debt increased at the rate it did under Obama was during another time of financial crises: The Great Depression. When the economy is bad, the national debt always goes up, it's a financial reality, it's how the economy recovers.

Also, over a million jobs were lost in the first 3 months of his presidency. Like he could have stopped the decline of jobs in 3 months.

Red Jackson your numbers are incorrect for Bush and obama. In one of obummers speeches he did while running for president the first time he slammed bush for raising the national debt 4 trillion in 8 years. When Bush left office the National Debt was closer to 9 Trillion.

My numbers should have been in trillions, obviously, but I still stand by them. The national debt was at $10,626 trillion the day W left office.

Ford was the only auto industry that didn't rely on the Government. The other 2 should of fall on their faces and then rebuilt, as other companies have done in the past. We will never recoop the money from GM or the Big Banks he gave money to so that they could pay out big bonuses.

When did this happen? When did racism get redefined? I mean, rational people know that this above statement is not true. This is not my concern.

What I am concerned with is the origin of the redefining of racism for political propaganda. Yes, obviously the guy above who said we need to get Obama out of "the WHITE house" was racist bc he was implying that because of Obama's skin color he should not be allowed in office which leads to the assumption that he is not qualified bc of his ethnicity.

Ken is displaying a kind of redefining of racism phenomena. Because of his skin color people put him as the leader of this country. Instead of giving him the credit he deserves for overcoming racism and becoming the first black president in this country (huge deal people), ppl attempt to take that away from him by denying that racism is a problem and claiming ppl only voted for him bc he is black. So absurd.

You also get this thing that I still only see come from those on the far/new right, but I am trying not to assume that is the origin, where people who say "hey my friend, what you are saying is really offensive and racist" are then told that _they_ are in fact the racist for even suggesting racism exists bc they have in turn just recognized a difference in ethnicity.

Racism (from plain ole dictionary.com): a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

Even if the whole country voted in Obama to prove that they themselves were not racist, this would not be a racist act. They would not have voted him in bc he is black and thought a black person is inherently superior to a white person (racism), they would have voted him in to prove something about themselves while assuming no superiority of Obama bc of his ethnicity.

Erin if I'm mot mistaken obama has a white mother and a black father so that would make him bi-racial. So shouldn't your statement read that he was the first elected bi-racial president and not the first black president, as he is half white.

“If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you’re not a racist, you’ll have to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you’re not an idiot.”

I call 'em as I see 'em.

red and erin come from the land of hot air from what I have been reading. red is good at posting information that comes from blogs. erin tries to make herself seem smart but needs to get out college get a job and live instead of being winded in what she writes from what she learned in college. i personally think erin needs to find a new career as she won't make it working for any news stations or for any news papers.

Good, they should leave religion out of it entirely.

Well said.

Your wonderful Presidents just changed his mind from marriage between a woman and a man to gay marriage could be to get more votes.

Ah could it be because thats what this country was founded on? Crazy right!!? Could it be the without acknowledging God you there for have no right to life liberty or the pursuit of happiness, since as Americans we believe that God as our Creator has given us these right which man cannot take away. If man gives you rights then he can also take them away. Just like 49% on the government dole what the government gives it can take away.

Ken - Didn't bring religion into it, I was responding to a previous poster who asked why God wasn't in the Democrat's platform. As long as you're bringing completely made up crap into it - the sky is green today. About as true as the tired old Obama is a Muslim junk.

The part about Mitt being a Mormon is correct though. Have you looked into what they believe? There's some messed up stuff in the Bible and Koran, but the Book of Mormon is a laugh a minute. Sorry, not voting for anyone that falls for that particular set of fairy tales.

JS...Read Obama's own book. He was a Muslim then later changed to Revernend Wright Church of Hate? You can say it isn't so but it is. Shall I type s l o w e r for you?

Ken - Obama's father was a muslim, therefore he was considered a Muslim as a young child, just as I was considered a Methodist when I was a young child. When he was old enough to think for himself, he chose Christianity a quote - "I'm a Christian by choice. My family didn't – frankly, they weren't folks who went to church every week. And my mother was one of the most spiritual people I knew, but she didn't raise me in the church. So I came to my Christian faith later in life, and it was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me in terms of the kind of life that I would want to lead – being my brothers' and sisters' keeper, treating others as they would treat me. "

I am no longer a Methodist either. When I was old enough to think for myself, I realized religion is a crutch and made up stories for those that fear death. Some insist on dragging religion into politics because they think everyone agrees with their beliefs. They would be mistaken.

JS what you seem to forget this country was built on christianity and 80% of the country say they are christians. Why should the country have to change to satisfy a persons religion or the fact they don't believe who is in the minority . No one is telling anyone how to believe or live our lives except our government and our current President. And I for one want the government out of my personal life. It is a shame in this country for one person or a minority group to feel offended by a cross , ten commandments,nativity set and wanting it moved and the government jumps right and their and states move it or we will sue and ruin your community ,even if the majority of that community wants it. Christianity built this country and made it strong and if a religion who has a different belief then what this country was built on they should be the ones who are more tolerant. If we enter their country we are tolerant of their beliefs and don't say the Koran affends me remove it. Before I could blink I would be sitting in a prison or beheaded. If you come to this country knowing that this is what the majority of this country is built on they should practice the tolerants they claim they have.
One more thing my religious beliefs is not a crutch and our founding fathers and Constitution makes it a political issue. Destroy what this country was built on and you'll destroy this country.

Proud American, are you are the one that's suggesting that we destroy a principle this country was founded on. "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion." Our government is barred from endorsing any religion. We weren't founded to be a Christian nation, we were founded to be a country of all.

The Mormon's use the King James Version of the Bible so JS why are you laughing at it as most Religions use that Bible. Catholics have their own Bible. Not all Mormons believe in Polygamy either, just a branch that has actually broken away from the True Mormon Church. Mormon's do more for charity if you knew anything about their religion them most religions do. obama is a muslim always has been and always will.

Wonder if obama is going to visit all 57 states like he did while running in 2008, dumb dora doesn't even know that there are only 50 States in the United States.

Jacob I meant to say the Declaration of Independence that second paragraph endowed by the creator.
this might help you understand "Can America be called a Christian nation?... There are millions of Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Shintoists, Unitarians, Hindus, Wiccans, Naturists, Agnostics, and Atheists, but Christians comprise roughly 84% of the population. Our constitutional legal system is still based on the Jewish/Christian Bible, not the Koran or other holy book. We still observe Sunday, the Christian Sabbath, as an official holiday. Easter and Christmas still have a special place in the holiday lexicon. The Ten Commandments are still on the wall behind the Supreme Court Justices when they take the bench. Our coins still display the motto 'In God We Trust.'... We live, not under a Christian government, but in a nation where all are free to practice their particular religion, in accommodation with other religions, and in accordance with the basic principles of the nation, which are Christian in origin. It is in that sense that America may properly be referred to as a Christian nation."
need I say more.

Well, this country's law document is not the decralation of independence. It is the constitution and its amendments. That document said we are no longer a colony of great Britain. Also, our founders weren't perfect men. You're right that they founded this nation on Christian principles. It doesn't mean they were right everything. Hence why we have amendments. America protects its minorities, but we're not perfect. I believe the "In god we trust" was sued for violating the constitution, but it was upheld by the supreme court. So while we may be Christian at our origin, we were also a slave nation at our origin too.

Jacob make up your mind are we are aren't we a christian nation you are starting to ramble like a true liberal.

My position is the same, we were founded on Christian principles sine almost all of the founders were Christian. We are not, however a Christian nation. We respect all religions, however as you pointed out, we are also a nation full of Christians.

Red Jackson again is posting incorrect information. From CBS NEWS "On the day President Bush took office, the national debt stood at $5.727 trillion. The latest number from the Treasury Department shows the national debt now stands at more than $9.849 trillion."
Red must of gotten his incorrect answers from obummerland home of the delusional. The national debt is now over 16 trillion, which came out a few days ago. So in less than 4 years obummer has raised the national debt over 7 trillion. More of a percentage then George did in 8 years.

Again, my numbers should have been in trillions, but I stand by them. CC, you just agreed with me -- the debt was 5.7 trillion when Bush took office. However, look it up, the day he left office the debt was 10,626 trillion. My figures for Obama was from his first full 3 years in office.

Red not sure what blog you get your information from but the national debt in 3 years from when obama took office went from 9 trillion to 16 trilliion. in 3 years it went up 6 trillion. under the bush administration it went up 4 trillion in 8 years. did you not learn how to do math in school. your figures as so out of touch with reality. you should not be condemning anyone one else as you have been posting incorrect information that comes from blog sites

The president has no influence on gas prices. They can fluctuate rapidly due to a variety of conditions, including weather. Not to mention that they are always rising due to a natural upshift in inflation. Which is why we no longer pay 60 cents per gallon like we did in the 1960s..

Having said that:

First month in office gas price increases:
180 percent - George W
107 percent - Obama

3 years and 3 months in office (Obama's been in office 3 years, 8 months, but figures aren't available for the last 5 yet):

81 percent - George W
104 percent - Obama

It is disingenuous of me to use one month of gas prices when W was president to compare, but it's also disingenuous of everyone on this forum to say that prices were $1.79 a gallon when W left office and are $3.80 or whatever now and then say that's evidence of rising gas prices under Obama. They are numbers out of context.

Red not sure where your getting your information but you need to go to some websites that tell the truth and not blogs that people made up information

Paying for abortions with medical will just make that the # 1 birth control under the obama administration.

facts are that everytime a democrat talks about obama it is all lies. I would gladly vote for Clinton if he was allowed to run for president Would also consider another Democrat, but would never cast a vote for obummer.

Come back and tell us this when it's vetted by a source other than the extreme right-wing Daily Caller.

WOW ...Great now I get to pay for this low life's birth control pills. Let me get this straight. Women are in charge of their bodies, sex lifes, abortion decisions...BUT we can't drink a 32 oz Pepsi?

The DNC liberals will stand for anything that gets them a vote.

If women want to be in charge of their own bodies maybe they should choose not to have sex if they can't afford birth control.

Please do not ever suggest that I need to meet some sort of criteria to have control over my own body.

I believe that women need to have choices. However, I believe in personal responsiblity. Sandra believes that every woman needs to be taken care of by the government. Yes, those that need financial assistance should be provided health services based on their needs. But those that can take care of themselves should. And I think we should all strive to not be dependent on the government for our daily needs. Sandra Fluke wants the government to take care of her. I can't respect her. As far as Rush goes, why would she take him seriously? She certainly did not deserve a prime time postion on the DNC platform. There are other speakers that could have contributed so much more to the discussion on woman's rights.

And we all know Clinton would never lie on TV or to the American people? Right...lol
Only 2 Presidents have ever been impeached....both happened to be Democrats.

Ken go back and read Don's post a way back he lived in Chicago in the 80's and explained a few thing very well.

Ok. I searched the Chicago Tribune Archives as Don suggested (why people think that credentials as anonymous commentors is impressive, I will never understand). It was a good suggestion. So here we go:

For Shame!
"Just a few years ago, Barack Obama was helping residents of the Altgeld Gardens housing development challenge the Chicago Housing Authority over asbestos in their apartments...the 28-year-old Obama was named president of the Harvard Law Review, the nation's most prestigious student legal journal."

What a jerk!
Obama is listed as one of "25 Chicagoans on the road to making a difference" in 1993.

The nerve!
Obama assisted in this in 1994: "Public Allies, one of 15 pilot programs throughout the country serving as a model for President Clinton's national service plan. The measure... will allow college-age youths to do community service in return for a grant to pay for school or pay off student loans."

Have yet to see any marxism, but I am still reading. Here's hoping!

Ok Erin let me break this down for you he was talking about the 1980's you are pulling things up from the 90"s he wanted to get votes the man will do anything if he thinks it will get him a vote

The first article was from 86 I believe. the second 1990. There was not anything at all from before 86 (give or take a few years), but I did an online archive search. The point is that Obama did a lot of really good things.

But yes, you are right. obama is a socialist and spent all of his time in Chicago but preach on a sidewalk with Michelle in their his and hers Marx masks. According to Chuck Norris if we elect Obama again we will enter into a thousand years of darkness. Which archive can I search to verify this information?

Erin, weren't you just waiting for Chuck Norris and wife to end that ridiculous ad by putting on their tin foil hats?

Erin your first quote had no date the second 1993 and third 1994

Erin why don't you answer the questions. You keep on referring to obama as as the first black president when in fact he is a bi-racial. and that isn't racist. You are blowing a lot of hot air out for a little girl that is wet behind the ears and hasn't really lived. what everyone ask you on here you don't seem to have an answer for. but try to make yourself seem so smart.

Scroll up CC. I have taken far too much time answering every single question asked of me because unlike you, I was here to share information, not childishly insult people as an anonymous comment thread troll.

I am beginning to think that quite a few people on here are not actually sincere, but are in fact a gang of internet trolls just looking to cause havoc. I have already identified at least one. What I know for a fact is that I am not getting in return what I put into my responses (time, research and thought). So enjoy eating each other alive, but I am done with this.

Will give you the fact they are great speakers but they are just words I want to see action you can't talk people back work

Man, if I can ever manage to sound anything like Michelle Obama, I will have accomplished something pretty fantastic. She is a very impressive woman.

A woman suggesting that women should meet some sort of criteria to have control over their own body is so much worse, but there were many women who organized entire interests groups against suffrage, equal marriage rights for women in marriage, etc. I realize that this is probably not what you meant, but it is what you said, and words like that are dangerous. I recognize that you do make an effort to be civil, and I appreciate that. I really do. But I do not have to meet anyone's standards/criteria for control over my own body. Not ever and especially not because I am a woman.

Polls are notoriously unreliable. For every poll that you cite which shows that some majority supports what you believe to be true, I can show you five more that say the opposite. People really should never cite them...especially people claiming to be representative of the "real world."

Yes, I think that the people who made those previously listed racist, sexist, and/or ignorant comments are in the minority. It is either that or move into isolation and pray for the end of the human race. I choose to remain optimistic.

referring to her comment four years ago Erin about being proud of her country for the first time . Not saying she doesn't love her husband and children but she needs to stop telling other women what to feed their kids and worry about her own. I am capable to feed my own kids as well as buy my own birth control

What is so dangerous about a women being responsible for her own actions, that makes for a strong women. If Obama took responsiblity for his failures as a president and stop blaming everyone else maybe this country would be in better shape

Erin you don't believe the poll right here on this page

Ok. I am apparently not being clear. It is not that I believe that poll numbers are not true.

What does a poll do? A poll surveys a selected group of people. If I were to poll Lake Erie to see what the majority fish was in the lake, I would get small mouth bass (the kind of fish does not matter). I could then say, "the majority population of lakes are populated by small mouth bass." Uh oh. Somebody else took a poll in Lake Ontario and found that the majority population of that lake was river trout. That somebody else released a statement saying "the majority population of lakes are populated by river trout."

Both polls are only correct for their lake, but they have extended their poll to be inclusive of all of the lakes. So no, the Patch is not an actual representation of the majority population in this area (whichever Patch you belong to). Polls are just for fun. Some are more scientific for more accurate results, but they are never very reliable.

Pa has gone democrat in the past 5 or so Presidential elections. Romney has already dropped his campaign ads in this state. If I were a betting man, my money would not be on Romney for PA even with voter suppression laws.

AND YET STILL! I was emphatically _not_ referring to who supports which presidential candidate in my post. I was referring to (& was very clear considering my examples listed below my remark) ppl who hold racist, sexist, and/or just ignorant opinions being in the minority.

If the military means so much to him he won't be cutting military budget when we are still fighting terrorist ,maybe he feels backing companies that go bankrupt is a better us of the money.

words are cheap

Campain materials as facts? How about something from an independent and unbiased source.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/gay-vietnam-veteran-confronts-mitt-romney-gop-contender-supports-gay-marriage-politics-15141841

Erin the problem with convention is they are a captive audience you wouldn't be their if you didn't support that person.The truth will come out in the next 2 months and I have faith the Americans are smart enough to pick a new president. We should take the president at his own words "My presidency will be a one term proposition if the economy doesn't turn around" job rates this morning still above 8%. Now America lets hold him to his words Romey-Ryan 2012

Nothing leaves a more positive tone than booing God and Jerusalem. Funny how there was no YouTube link on how the chairman forced these back on the platform against the will of the delegates similar to the one posted about Republicans.

It leaves one with a sense of civility when Republicans are compared to Nazis on multiple occasions, racists on multiple occasions or when the chairman of the Palm Beach County Democrats says Christians want to kill Jews.

It’s also a positive when the DNC chair got caught lying on camera regarding a conversation with the Israeli Ambassador. For those of you who missed it, Wasserman Shultz said she spoke with the Israeli Ambassador and he said “. . . what the Republicans are doing is dangerous for Israel.” Well, the Israeli Ambassador says he never said it. So, what does WS do, she lies. She says the reporter misquoted her. Well, here’s the problem, there was audio. WS caught in a lie, but that’s what she does.

Yep, this was definitely the convention of peace and love.

I haven't heard the ratings for last night, but for Wednesday, the combined total viewing audience for all stations was extremely low, actually tied with Honey Boo Boo. Instead, everyone was off watching the football game. The conventions preach to the choir. Personally, I didn't find Obama's speech at all informative. He made the same promises he made four years ago, but still no speifics on his plan to actually achieve them this time around. Romney wasn't specific either, but the Obama camp criticized him for that and said, and promised his speech would provide his specifics. Yet another broken promise.

Ok Erin now it is poll fraud and voter surpression.In the last say six months I have had to produce a photo ID approximately 6 times for various reasons doctor/hospitals, banks, etc. ( to get into the DNC you need a photo ID). also Pa. also voted in a republican governor since they voted for a democrat for president. And Red the Dems did give facts,figures, and math and they where the same promise made 4 years ago and guess what they didn't work then and won't work now.

Ok, for the very last time, I did not say "poll fraud." I assume that "poll fraud" would be lying about poll results. Poll results are always unreliable even if legitimate. They are so unreliable that GREs (standardized entrance exams for grad schools) actually have a question asking the test taker to write an essay explaining why polls are unreliable. This is not a conspiracy theory. Go read the fish story again. I actually put effort in trying to explain this to you very carefully.

I have explained that the "minority" group that I am referring to is a group of racist, sexist, and ignorant people REGARDLESS of political affiliation. Why are you trying so hard to convince me that these people are the majority?

Voter suppression and polls being unreliable are facts. Google Mike Turzai. Read my blog that I posted. There are tons of links to different voter suppression laws _other than_ voter ID laws. This is historically common political strategy, not conspiracy theory.

I ask direct questions about Mitt Romney, sincerely looking for incite into the Republican party beyond what I see on Fox News bc I figure that maybe I am missing something. I figure there must be a rational plan that Romney is putting out to reduce our debt & help the country get back on its feet bc the economy is supposed to be the #1 issue. "Romney is a business man" is not a viable plan for this country! ok...Now my brain and my heart hurt. I am done.

Women's health insurance rates are often double that of men. Whether you agree with that or not, I can tell you because I pay my bill and have the same exact plan as my brother. I pay more than double....and it is not a good plan. I don't care if you agree with this or not, but that is what she is referring to.

Erin, Erin, Erin, ... Your comment about differences in health insurance rates demonstrate you know nothing about insurance. Your comment echos some of the foolish rhetoric a couple of years ago during the health care debates.

Let us start at the very top. Insurance is all about risk. Risk determines payouts. Rates are directly related to anticipated payouts. Why are the life insurance rates of men and women of the same age different, with men paying more? Men's lifespan is less than that of women, so the expected payout will be more likely during the coverage period. These differences change with the age of the insured.

Why do accident-prone drivers pay more for auto insurance? The insurance companies realize the likelihood of payouts will be greater, hence the different rates.

You do not have the exact plan as your brother. The box for you has "F" blackened, but the box for him has "M" blackened.

I realize early life in college tends to shield us from the realities of these matters. So, we give you a pass on this one. There are some of these things we learn apart from the classroom.

That was the speech at the conventions it was what she has said before this speech that people are talking about. Once again the dnc vetted her speech and needed to back trrack because of the damage her previous statment had caused. You see hard working taxpayers are tried of paying for things people should be responsible for themselves. Not having sex if you can't afford to get pregnant is what a responsible person does or find other ways of protection they can afford. Everyone else should not have to pay for another persons choices that affect only their lives.

Roger, Roger, Roger...Once again you have demonstrated that despite the wisdom you have gained with so many years on this Earth, you have no reading comprehension skills.

Did I offer an opinion? No. What did I say? I said that whether you agree with this or not, women pay more, and Sandra Fluke disagrees.

And then you agreed with me and went to explain really obvious aspects of the insurance business. Absurd.

Erin says: "... I pay my bill and have the same exact plan as my brother. I pay more than double ...."

There isn't any room for subjective assessments in your statement. Double is twice -- an objective measure.

Perhaps your response reflects the trend of college students these days -- there are no absolutes. I guess that paying twice as much is been relegated to an opinion, not as a hard fact. I know, it may be a challenge to accept that there are some absolutes left, and saying your payment is twice as much as that of your brother is one of them.

Globetrottermom I'm with you on the car insurance, my children have to pay for their own. I tell them when I get the bill every 6 months that on such and such a date if you don't have your portion, you don't drive for the next 6 months. One daughter thought I was kidding but when she found her car key missing off her key chain and every time she wanted my keys to drive the car she got a big fat NO. Next time it was due she had her portion sitting on my desk an hour after I told her that the bill was in.

As for birth control. women who want to have control over her own body should pay for her own birth control, abortions, etc. Only thing insurance should be paying for is for her to go see the gyn once a year. Next were going to have to give men free viagra so that they can get it up.

I have no problem with a play on peoples names find it rather amusing. you have to break it down where it is coming from. People using obummer are just really down and disappointed the way our president is running the country or more correctly not running it. Rmoney are a group of people who hate to see any one succeed in this county and feel that anyone who worked hard and made money should have to share it with everyone. I'm not a millionaire and I don't want the money that he made he's a good businessman and should make money if he was doing his job
The businesses he made profitable hire people who want to work and earn their own money and not wait for a handout from the government who will soon come up empty handed because their handouts are breaking the country. Government programs should only be a HAND UP and not a HAND OUT. Congrats on your success soon to be President Romney.

ml i got obummer off of many of websites that think that of obama and the name does fit him. Now i really have to laugh at your comment " I do, and I don't hate successful people, I am one." When on one of the articles on Baldwin's taxes going up you stated that you only got 2,500 a month to live off of for being retired. That is not successful at all, but in your little mind it is. You belittled a family that lived on that much money and told them to only buy shoes and coats never mind clothes or anything else and to bank their money but they had 4 children under the age of 6 and 2 in diapers. You cried on other articles on how much your prescriptions and medical is, now your rich and successful. Give me a break. You need to remember what you say on different articles.

ML you are actually going to use a link to Vanity Fair for the truth .

If Romney has money in secret bank accounts how does everyone know about them and he does pay taxes on the money in them. You don't think the IRS goes over ever millionaire tax return with a fine tooth comb to try to bust them for the interest they would have to pay on a mistake if they had one. Romney wasn't rich when he stared out and made name and money for himself. Many children of rich were sent to the best of schools but when they were out of school has to go and find their own way in the world.

We got obummer who came to the united states as a foreigner and went to school on American's money free of charge. His aunt lives in the United States, has been deported but doesn't want to go as she says the United States owes her free money. Free Welfare, Free Medical, Free housing. What a joke, obummer and his family is.

Wow really impressed that now ml is quoting from vanity fair. such big words from a little person.

ML once again you show your true colors a far left liberal the first articles from the LA times a liberal newspaper from a liberal state who can't even run their own state going bankrupt.
Second this shows the mind set of this country today heaven forbid if some one or a company should fail.Today children get a trophy for just showing up or free shoes for showing up at school for one day so that the school can have a larger number to report to the state. If a businees is failing why pump money into it to watch it fail any way like Obama's solar companies. Go ahead bring up the GM argument by the way OBAMA DIDN"T SAVE IT THE TAXPAYERS DID and we did not get all our money back.When the money dries up for a failing company it will fail eventually if some rough choices are not made to make it profitable and in the real world sometimes you have to fail. Yes it is rough to watch and I also feel for the people who loss their jobs just like the people at Obamas' solar companies. You know why Obama's companies are failing because he is not a smart enough business man to realize their is not a market for it.
Third a very good video it just show Romney is not willing to say just anything to get a vote. Obama was for a marriage between a man and a women until he thought he could get more votes by saying now he is for gay marriage. Which over 30 some states have voted gay marriage down. A good man sticks to his values like Romey did in this video. ROMNEY-RYAN 2012

Jon, you make a serious misread about what some of the posters here are saying. While many (most? all?) would agree with your "scare" scene, and helping others, the question is how is the help done. Some of us get up our ire when the government tells us how, how much, and why to offer the help. The same group may be very benevolent to helping others, but in their way, in their timing, and motivated for the why.

We can only look to national disasters, such as Katrina, the tornadoes that went through Missouri a year or so ago, and many others. Long after the government was gone, those remaining to help were there on their own accord, doing the work as they saw fit, and with the right motivation. I know many who were on these helping trips. They only found others with like motivations and interest doing the work.

Before getting on a rant about offering help to others through government channels, we need to be sure we've got our own motivations in order first. Yes, compassion still exists is large doses. If you are not seeing it, then you are not part of the group offering to help on your own accord.

Jon sorry but I don 't plan on pouncing on the home next door if they lose their home. The last home I purchased was back in 98 and have no desire to purchase any more houses. I just finished up paying the last mortgage and now in the process of remodeling all the homes. Some were upset when I told them they were going to be with out a kitchen for 3 days but they did actually end up liking the end results.

Heath care like birth control should be paid for by the person who wants it bad enough I had to pay all my life for my own health care and hate the thought that now I am going to have to pay for health care for others. Sorry but I worked 2 jobs sometimes to make ends meet, put children though college and still was able to pay for my own health care. Sorry I'm not a Democrat that wants everything han ded to them for free. I am glad that I never got caught up on buy now and pay later with credit cards. If people would realize how much they are actually end up paying for something they would be shocked. My parents raised 6 kids without credit and we had a good life, all went to college without student loans and was glad I learned from the best. People now a days need to learn to live within their means.

Jon, for your information. I donate quite a bit of money for relief around the United States. I also go out every time Habitat for Humanity builds a home and donates my time, plus I have paid to put in all appliances in these homes for people. Maybe it is you that needs to go out and do some Charity work for the really poor. Why not come down to the Food Bank every week and donate 4 hours of your time getting bags of food ready for people. We sure can use the help down there, but it is people like you that are too busy with their own lives that forget about the poor who really need help. A family of 4 living off of 50,000-60,000 should not get free health care, they should have since they started to work, had the money pulled out of their paycheck to pay for their own health insurance, but they just want to complain that it is to much money to come out of their paycheck.

Maybe it needs a whining column for the people who think that everything should be free to some while the rest work to pay for it.

proud American, I so agree with a column for the whiners who want everything for free, but have no problem spending money they don't have. It is the same ones over and over again with entitlement. That they think the Government owes them everything. How many people from other Countries want to come to the United States and live the American Dream of being free to choose what they want out of life.

I lost a dear friend the other day who died from Lymphoma in Scotland the other day. Seems that with their Government run healthcare she couldn't get into see the Doctor for 6 months because of how their system works. In the six months she waited to see an Oncologist she died before the 6 months were up.

ml - I wouldn't want to be you that is for sure. You have shown over and over how jealous you are of everyone. You have lied on many of these post about what you have, what you don't have. How rich you are living off 2,500 a month the crying on another post about you can't afford to live. Your comments are a laugh to most people on here, as your jealously shows on all your post.

Jon who will pay for all this free health care free educations etc. look how this has worked in the European countries they are going bankrupted. Not putting you down Jon and if you are working three jobs why would you want to pay more taxes so that a lot group of people who don't want to work can sit at home while you are working so hard. There money comes from your taxes and I am not saying people don't want to help people in this country they just don't want to keep them all their lives. Look when we have a disaster in this country Americans will all be their in our citizens time of need how ever they can. Welfare, food stamps, medicade are all good programs but the majority of the people receiving them don't pay taxes to keep those programs running they just sit back and collect. I know a lot of young able body people who could be out their working as hard as you but choose to let the government keep them. Look at Social Security people paid into this program to be able to receive them when they retire look what the government did to that program they took the money out of that program to run some of the other government funded programs now it is slowly being destroyed. These programs are needed but they also have to be controlled Clinton started a good program where people receiving help at least had to look for employment and welfare roll was dropping now Obama reversed it. Not everyone is like you Jon you need help for 3 months now working 3 jobs that great.

Jon - "Free" healthcare. Nothing is free no matter what the Democrats tell you. Even the countries that you look longingly to that have nationalized healthcare can not endure the burden. Even Cuba is cutting back on the "freebies" : http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cuba-campaign-takes-free-health-care-142839515.html.
Canadian citizens come here for treatment. Keep your socialized and nationalized medical system.

Jon, I believe in giving food stamps and medical to people that need to get back on their feet when they lose jobs. What I have a problem with is the ones that make a career out of living off the system. There was a time when I first started out that I could of used the help but I guess I was to proud to ask for the help. I relied on family back then to help me out when I needed food to put on the table for my children. I had a child that needed emergency heart surgery at the age of 5 and it took me 3 years to pay off the medical bills on the salary that my husband and I were making. We were both working a full time and part time job to just make the payments to the hospital every month. Yes I could of went down and got free medical back then, but I wasn't brought up to ask for things for free. That is when I started paying for my own medical and still do to this day.

That opening of the market that you are describing through the regulation of prices from both the medical corp end (hospitals, testing centers) and the insurance end is exactly what PPACA is trying to do.

You are absolutely right. It is a lot and pretty scary. That is why, because of our checks and balances, we are seeing it being broken up and implemented in stages, going through court cases, etc.

The main thing the PPACA does is regulate cost. It is not a health plan and outside of medicare that assists those in need, it does not pay for anything. It is reworking our healthcare system because (if we remember correctly) it was failing miserably while avoiding making healthcare public (like in Canada) because this country does not want that. Despite all of the anger right now created by ppl that don't give a crap about this issue, it is the result of a successful government. The PPACA is not Canadian, it isn't European, it is not Socialist, it is big and new which tends to be how this country rolls.

Regardless of the Presidential election, the PPACA is not going anywhere. Romney does not have that kind of power as it is already law. If laws were that fragile this country would be in a lot worse shape than it is in now....or better....I suppose it depends on the law.

For Pete's sake. "Obamacare" was never actually called Obamacare. It was passed by the Senate in 2009 and was called the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act then too.

I thought we were being civil now and actually talking facts and legitimate concerns that do not involve death panels and socialism. My mistake.

Because here is the thing: You guys don't listen when I repeatedly say that I have concerns and am by no means 100% comfortable with government policies right now (specifically foreign policy but also the PPACA etc). I say it over and over and all I get is "Erin Conners is a liberal" as if that is a dirty word...or as if it is true because guess what? Liberals would not consider me liberal. Bam. Mind blown.

Commence with the being horrible to each other. Maybe I will actually read a few college or age jabs before I give up on paying attention again.

Side note: Do you ever get suspicious that right wing propaganda is so full of anti-education rhetoric? I go to school in Western PA (as a nontraditional), and it is by NO MEANS a liberal campus. Not at all.

Just think about it for a second...Why would a political party (any party) be so anti-education, and why would anyone ever buy that education is a bad thing? "Colleges are evil indoctrination camps" is unquestioned right wing rhetoric at this point. _That_ really scares me. the day when we are all convinced education is bad for us.

Erin, some of us are glad you are here to write your messages. We like your passion and enthusiasm, and interest.

We also like to see your messages because it gives us some insight into the young, college aged kids -- at least from one viewpoint. This helps us understand what happens on college campuses and why the young graduates emerge from the college campus with their ideas. It also reveals that their viewpoint is very, very narrow, and, dare I say, naive and ignorant. Not much about life really happens in those classrooms. Maturity doesn't come through academic studies, and being in the closed environment a college campus provides. The perspective is necessarily tempered by what comes from those teaching on campus. It is clear that the range of worldviews represented across campuses is very wide. Some parents spend much time in choosing a college that is consistent with a worldview they hold. For many parents, the pool of those colleges is very small, so they must choose carefully.

Your viewpoints help us understand the worldview you embrace, even though you choose not to reveal the basis of that worldview.

You do help us to understand your cloistered viewpoint with regard to the anti-education topic. Clearly, you have not wandered out into the real world if you hold this position. While attempting to convince others about openness, these statements reveal quite the opposite.

Hang in there. Life will bring useful experiences your way.

Roger you are truly one of the most condescending people ever...in the history of humankind. Because you never actually offer any information, I am pegging you as a troll. This is also due to the fact that no matter how much I tell you that I swiftly approaching my 30th and that I left college to work for 10 years (bills to pay), you continue to refer to me as a college aged kid. Why do you do this? To attempt to make me angry. Who participates in threads only to attempt to make people angry? Internet trolls.

More evidence, I say "i pay double insurance" and then explicity state that is not any opinion. I did not say whether that payment was justified, right, or wrong. I said that Sandra Fluke was opposed. You go on to explain that me saying "i pay double..." was not an opinion. Awesome! Because that was exactly my point. I offered no opinion. I was simply clarifying what Fluke was addressing. And yet you still continue to explain the difference between objective and subjective and all of this crap about absolutes.

So there are two options with the previous scenario. Either you really have incredibly poor reading comprehension skills, or you are just arguing for the sake of angering me because you are an internet troll and you know that if you continue to intentionally misinterpret/misread everything that I say, eventually my mind will explode due to the absurdity of your comments.